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Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:33:00 - [1] Personally I can't freaking wait. I don't always like setting in front of my PC grinding away at EVE so the opportunity to still enjoy the EVEverse in my living room is right up my alley. I am extremely apprehensive about the direction you seem to be taking with it though. Not having a single player mode is a death blow. If you don't think so call up the Shadowrun team they can tell you just how idiotic it was and how it absolutely destroyed their game. The problem is the learning curve associated with picking up an FPS and going strait into PVP. Every FPS has its little control intricacies and not letting people get adapted to them first generally causes a lot of frustration when being thrown to the wolves. The BETA players of Shadowrun CRUSHED the new players and it made it a hostile environment that people didn't enjoy very much. I would say play it but the servers are dead so there may not be anyone hosting privately anymore. Not to mention you already have a ton of story material you could easily draw from. I can't even begin on which story I would love to play through. There are just too many good ones. If you want to do it right you need to bust out with a Planetside like model for PVP zones. Having several hundred players shooting each other is by far more enjoyable than the HALO map memorization crap. You need huge maps with lots of players so that the battle tactics are more fluid and less camp. CCP mentions user created content at this point which is fine as long as someone screens the content prior to loading it because it would take about 5 minutes for the first trap map to go live otherwise. CCP also says that the emphasis is on players playing against other players but the COOP modes are extremely popular. Just look at Left 4 Dead, Gears(Horde), Halo(COOP), Rainbow Six Vegas(Terrorist Hunt), and Call of Duty(zombies). These are every bit as fun to play as the pure PVP modes and can be added and balanced in regards to their effects on sovereignty and just might be necessary if for some reason sovereignty was stable for a period of time. If your going to make an EPIC FPS then just make it freaking EPIC!!! It needs a story mode, co-op mode, PVE mode, and pvp mode to even qualify for an acceptable modern FPS. Anything less and your just going lose chunks of the player base for FPS's. The reason why I am ranting about PVE so much is again associated to a primary defect in Planetside and something that is mentioned again by CCP. That is lag and its effects on the FPS community. This is the primary reason I am so damned glad your not putting this on the PC. I don't know how your going to do the hit detection but on a console client side detection isn't going to be an issue like it is in Planetside. Just about all the console games restrict players from playing on maps where they would warp around due to their connection. Don't be naive and think that players won't try to use disco cheats and packet manipulation to gain an advantage. Set limits, enforce them, and don't cater to the whines about how how corp A can't play with its full membership because half is in the US and half is in EU. So what. When the tech catches up to make it possible cool but until then don't ruin the game by trying to do the impossible. This is also why the PVE modes are so important. Bots don't care if you warp they still know where you are and react without a problem. This way if the big corps want to get their rocks off from halfway around the planet they can without latency being such a freaking issue. IF its on 360 you had better make some freaking downloadable content for it like Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, and Amarr outfits for my Avatar, backgrounds, dashboards, etc... even if it costs me Microsoft points I and many others will still buy it. Don't skimp on it either I want my Caldari combat armor and a freaking rifle to go with my Excel in space dashboard. Oh did I mention I can't wait? A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:13:00 - [2] Originally by: Aelya Blackwing No need to panic any longer. I've cracked the code. DUST is pretty much all I have left of a brain. And 514 is how many brain cells I currently have but that number is dwindling every day due to my addiction to crack. WOE is me. FIFY A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:59:00 - [3] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 19/08/2009 20:08:49 I feel backstabbed. And beside that , how many console players tend to stick with the game ?. What if the game will die in 6 month or so ? Even what if it will die after 2 years. Who will be conquering planets then ?.How it will influence EVE. Release it only to consoles is a fail and backstabb( due to additional fee,game cost, and most importantly new platfrom ) to EVE ONLINE community. LIVE Activity for week of August 11th Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UUÆs) 1 Call of Duty 4 2 Halo 3 3 GTA IV 4 Gears of War 5 Madden NFL 09 6 Rock Band 7 Guitar Hero III 8 Battlefield: Bad Company 9 SOULCALIBUR IV 10 Fable II Pub Games Original Xbox Top Live Titles (based on UUÆs) 1 Halo 2 2 Star Wars: Battlfrnt 2 3 Fable 4 Counter-Strike 5 Fable: Lost Chapters 6 Splinter Cell Chaos 7 Conker: Live Reloaded 8 Doom 3 9 Battlefield 2: MC 10 Call of Duty 3 http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/08/19/live-activity-for-week-of-august-11th.aspx Notice how FPS's dominate the lists of both 360 and Original consoles and ALL of them are older than 1 year. YOU qualify for speculation fail. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 22:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Trollofski Is DUST 514 console only or are there plans to launch it on mobile phones? <fingers crossed> Console only as far as we know. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 22:39:00 - [5] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 You can see a future ? If people would calm down they would too. What you need to understand is that gaming will continue to grow and evolve beyond how we currently perceive it. The past few years have seen a stagnation in new development. Virtually nothing in gaming has changed. Bean counters have dominated gaming mechanics which has resulted in cookie cutter game after cookie cutter game. The only way that changes is if someone isn't dominated by the bean counters. I only know of two companies that are going against the grain and only one of those has a game on the market. That would be CCP. I welcome any changes because I trust CCP to actually make gaming interesting while everyone else keeps making clones of other games. CCP isn't SOE. They have made a successful game out of EVE against all odds while many other titles that could have dwarfed it were crushed by shoddy developers. That sums up every one of the SOE titles despite games like LOTRO and SWG having massive built in fan bases yet EVE has a larger subscription base. CCP can pull it off IMHO. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 22:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Shade Millith I've said it before, but since CCP's pretending to care about our views in this thread I'll say it again. I'm angry. You're taking a VERY important part of the game, Sov mechanics, which thousands of people have spent hours and days defending and attacking, and have suddenly up and torn it away from us. We are the ones who'll pay for their mistakes on the ground. Not them. For them, it's just be another DE_Dust. Play, have fun whether you win or loose. But the EVE player base suffers when they loose. We're the ones who live there. The console only part is the biggest ball stomp. Not only have you taken one of the control over 0.0 Sov from the original game, but have given it to another gaming system altogether. I'm angry, and feeling more than just a little backstabbed And while this is probably overly Doom and Gloom, and CCP has given no help on how much this would effect Sov, it still scares me that a group of players with no affiliation to EVE Online, can effect 0.0 Sov. Well then let me sooth your tears by saying Dust doesn't control Sovereignty but is just a part of its mechanics. If you would read rather than rant you would already know that because its been said about 10k times in the last two days in response to posts like yours. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 23:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Mysteriax My biggest concern is how long will DUST last. Let me explain this one. Besides Halo and CoD, Most FPS games wont hold the players interest longer then 3 months. Let alone several years. What will CCP do when DUSTs (even if it is an initial success) Population begins to decline rapidly. It doesnt take a genius to figure out that the chances are much higher for Eve online to still be around for 5 years with about 200k subs then Dust will be around for 2 years with more then a 1000 active players. How will you keep interest, is it even possible or will Dust be detached of Eve's universe when the population of dust declines heavily? LIVE Activity for week of August 11th Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UUÆs) 1 Call of Duty 4 2 Halo 3 3 GTA IV 4 Gears of War 5 Madden NFL 09 6 Rock Band 7 Guitar Hero III 8 Battlefield: Bad Company 9 SOULCALIBUR IV 10 Fable II Pub Games Original Xbox Top Live Titles (based on UUÆs) 1 Halo 2 2 Star Wars: Battlfrnt 2 3 Fable 4 Counter-Strike 5 Fable: Lost Chapters 6 Splinter Cell Chaos 7 Conker: Live Reloaded 8 Doom 3 9 Battlefield 2: MC 10 Call of Duty 3 http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/08/19/live-activity-for-week-of-august-11th.aspx According to fact and not speculation the game will do just fine. Of course it needs to be a good game but that's a given. If it isn't a good game then detaching the two would be a requirement. If that's the case then I would definitely want it integrated into EVE. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.

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